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Vinegar making
I hope I'm not just thinking out loud but I've been thinking of making vinegar.  Is anyone around here making their own vinegar.  Seems easy but one thing I'm not yet clear on is how to measure the acid level... other than by taste.  Any advise will be welcomed.

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To measure the PH, you can pick up one of these nifty digital PH meters: http://www.shopchefrubber.com/product.php?productid=8628&cat=1506&page=1

You'll also need some PH 4.0 and PH 7 calibration liquid that you can order on Amazon or pick up at your local Hydroponic Shop.

Also, the Ideas In Food book has a great section on making your own vinegars, and it's an all around great book to have in general.
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This sounds like a fantastic idea. Please keep us updated on your progress!!
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Jacob, if such a food-oriented device is not available, do you think one from the garden section of a hardware store (i.e. usually used to test soil and water PH) would be sufficient (and safe)?
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Yes, the strips will work fine to give you a ball park figure. Just pull out the amount required to soak the strips and then discard after testing.

With that said, I'll have to re-read the chapter on making vinegar in the Ideas in Food book, but I don't recall them ever actually testing the acidity level. If you want to know what the exact PH of the vinegar is that you make, then a digital tester is a nice device to have but I don't think it's really necessary in the vinegar making process.

This is actually something that myself and one of my cooks were just discussing the other day and are planning on tackling in a few months if possible.
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I wasn't going to worry about the acidity level until the end but thought I should ask.  The available internet literature is confusing on that topic.  Some say that commercial vinegar is corrected after production, and other sources insist that one must correct the brew before mother is introduced.  I understand the former and totally don't understand the latter.  How can acidity possibly be corrected before the acetic acid is formed???

I think I'll just worry about the acid level after the fact.

So what is your plan for a mother?  Again, I read differing opinions.  Some say it will happen naturally; others say the chance of spoilage is high if a mother isn't formally introduced.  I'm thinking of spiking my wine (excess champagne from the New Years Eve celebration that we all slept through) with some stuff I saw at Whole Foods -- organic vinegar with mother included.  I hope the mother has not been pasteurized to death.
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Just a comment on what I read about correcting acid level prior to introducing the mother.  What I think they are implying is that a starting liquid with 10% alcohol will result in a vinegar with approx the same percentage of acetic acid.  If it is 1:1 I guess that might be right... but I don't know if it is or isn't.  For "regular wine", one site recommends dilution with equal amount of water then introduce mother.  I still think I'll wait until the end to worry the acid level... unless I decide to try making a bourbon or gin vinegar.  Hey... there's an interesting idea!
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Isn't vinegar cheap enough that it doesn't;t pay to make it yourself?
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@Brian,

Ideas In Food book recommends picking up organic apple cider vinegar with a "live mother." You can find these at health food stores or whole foods. From there, they simply cut off a piece of the mother and use it to start a new batch. To my recollection, they just dump the wine right in. After the fermentation process, they'll remove the vinegar from the mother and do a final aging for flavor. This step can take some time.

@Limey,

You do make a good point, but I think it's more the ability to experiment with flavors and see if you can achieve unique results. It's also a good way to get rid of open bottles of wine; admittedly that's less of a problem at home then it is at the restaurant. ;-)
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Vinegar is certainly cheap enough, but making it yourself would allow you to modify it's flavour to whatever you'd like and add anything you want in terms of herbs.
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Couldn't you just add herbs to boughten* vinegar?

* I believe that boughten is a Wisconsin term, I swear, I hear it all the time.
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Don't know about the others, but I can give you a two-word answer as to why I would like to experiment with this, and it's something that would make perfect sense for my location...

Pineapple vinegar.
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Limey... surely it is not a matter of cost.  Bough-en (the NJ version of your WI word) vinegar is generally cheap and available.  The same argument could be made about spaghetti sauce but we know that isn't necessarily true!

Variety is one reason, frugality is another, and quality might be another.  Some say, but I don't know yet, that craft-made vinegar is far superior to factory made.  It is the last item that intrigues me the most.

I've already been through the phase of mods to bough-en vinegar.  It works and it works well.  I'm curious about "stepping it up a notch" and "taking it to the next level".  BTW, I abhor both of those phrases but feel compelled to use them since they appear to be trendy terms.

Chef J... thanks for citing the book.  That was my notion.  There is one brand of vinegar in whole foods with mother.  (Its not too cheap but it is affordable.)

Thanks all for the thoughts!
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Speaking of vinegars, I found something interesting in the supermarket the other day.

The store had an end-cap display for a Mexican brand of white vinegar (Clemente-Jacques) that they started carrying recently.  Up until about a year ago, the only white vinegars available, here, were condimentado ("condimented") - that is, they had spices added (I forget exactly what's in them, but it's at least black pepper and cumin - a very common combination here).  It used to be almost impossible to find regular, white, distilled vinegar - except, once in a while, at an import store.

Eventually Heinz white vinegar and a generic brand began showing up in the regular supermarkets.  Now, with this new item, they had added another plain white vinegar.

Since it was a better price than the others and I was going to be needing some soon, I decided to get a bottle.  When I looked at it, however, I noticed something different.  The white vinegars such as Heinz are distilled from grains and, of course, there are some vinegars made specifically from rice.

This vinegar is made from sugar cane!  I don't know how common or uncommon that may be to any of you, but it's the first time I've encountered it.

At home, I tasted regular white vinegar and this new white vinegar side by side and the one made from cane was actually somewhat "fruity."

It will be interesting to see how this works out in various applications.

Are any of you familiar with this?
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Well, wish me luck.  I took that leftover bottle of champagne and inoculated it with some store-bought unpasturized vinegar with mother.  I put about a tablespoon of mommy in it.  Now its relaxing in the fermentation chamber - a seldom used sink that keeps at about 72 deg F.  Now I guess I'll wait for a month or six and see what happens!

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document, document, document everything!

and take pics!
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Dear diary,

It has been almost a fortnight and the experiment is going well.  The champagne in the carafe passed gas for a couple of days and then settled into its current state of, for lack of a better term, flatness.  The carafe is flat de-gassed champagne and still smells like champagne.  I'm keeping it covered with a plastic baggy over the top, but opened at the sides so air can freely move in, out, and all about.  No growth of the mother is detectable yet.  More news later.
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Correction:  I'm glad I'm keeping a written log because my memory is fading.  It has only been a half-fortnight so far.  No wonder so little has happened!

More news later.
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Three weeks into the vinegar experiment.  The wine looks and smells like flat champagne, which it is.  There is a slight "scum" forming on the bottom of the carafe.  It is translucent and mostly clear.  Could this be Mother forming?  I certainly hope so.

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Well, the experiment doesn't look too much different from the last report.  Still looks like flat Champagne with a slight translucent "scum" on the bottom of the carafe.  But the smell is changing.  It now smells slightly acidic.  Not quite a vinegar smell, but it is losing the sweet  Champagne smell.  There is still an undertone of the Champagne aroma.  It is apparent that some sort of transformation is going on.  But to be honest, folks... I just re-read post #8 and starting to think more along those lines!
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